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October 6, 2003
INTERVIEW
The Society Lady
It is often argued that
Open Access publishing
models are a threat to
learned societies and will
prevent them from performing
their good work for
their members and the scientific
community. Elizabeth
Marincola, of the American
Society for Cell Biology
(ASCB), has a very different
point of view. She talked to
Open Access Now about the
ASCB and Open Access.
It is immediately apparent what
motivates Elizabeth Marincola - she is
entirely committed to serving the
ASCB's members. And ever since she
became the Executive Director of the
society in 1991, Marincola has worked
tirelessly to make sure that ASCB
members get the most for their money.
Serving the cell biology
community
"The ASCB is a non-profit scientific
society and briefly our aim is to promote
cell biology," says Marincola.
"We do this in a number of ways; we
run meetings and journals, and we are
very active in educating Congress
about the importance of basic biomedical
research. We do what it takes to
promote the interests of our members."
The ASCB has over 10,000 members,
80% of whom work in the US.
Membership comes fairly cheap - a
fifth of the society's members are
students who pay an annual fee of
just US$35. Full membership for an
independent research scientist is
US$125. The majority of members
are from university laboratories, but
there are also significant numbers
of researchers from government labs,
biotech and pharmaceutical companies,
and even a sprinkling of members
who are no longer practicing scientists.
A recent survey conducted by The
Scientist magazine revealed that over
80% of scientists belong to at least
one scholarly society (see issue March
10, 2003). When asked why they join
professional societies, readers cited
participation in meetings and conferences
(67.4%), association with fellow
scientists (65.6%), and subscriptions to
research journals (60.1%) as their
major motivations.
"People join the ASCB for a number of
different reasons - direct and indirect,"
confirms Marincola. "There are direct
reasons, such as discounts to attend
our annual meeting, the privilege to
sponsor abstracts for the annual meeting,
and free electronic subscription
to our journal Molecular Biology of the
Cell (MBC) and to our newsletter.
There are also other benefits, such as
reduced car insurance, health insurance
and so on."
"Then there are the indirect, or intangible,
reasons why people join," she
says. "Members want to feel part of
the cell biology community, to feel
they are making a contribution to
advocacy for basic biomedical
research, to support the good works
of the society in terms of the
advancement of the careers of under-represented
minorities or women, or to
make a contribution to our activities in
science education."
Organizing meetings is seen as one
of the key roles of learned societies.
The ASCB annual meeting is a big
event, attracting around 10,000 cell
biologists. Publishing revenues are
often used by societies to subsidize
their meetings. "But that is not the case
for the ASCB," says Marincola. "Our
annual meeting produces a net revenue
to the society. The single largest source
of society revenue is the exhibit
booth."
The fact that the ASCB makes money
from its meeting has allowed the
society to move towards Open Access
publishing.
The two-month gamble
The ASCB director comments on the
background of their flagship journal.
"There are a number of premises on
which MBC was established. The
editors felt that the cell biology community
needed a really good journal
that was run 'by scientists for scientists'.
Now it seems obvious, but
at the time it was quite progressive.
Our members resented the control
exerted by commercial publishers and
professional editors and there was a
frustration with having to arbitrarily
truncate their articles to fit the constrained
limits of the high-prestige
journals. Also there was no place to
publish things like videos and large
datasets. These needs converged to
give birth to MBC." She adds that the
journal was also influenced by the
unique character of its founding editor,
David Botstein.
"Societies shouldn't be dependent on revenue
from journals"
Elizabeth Marincola
The ASCB was the very first publisher
to join PubMed Central (see Open
Access Now, July 28, 2003). MBC
offers full free access with a delay of
just two months, which is significantly
shorter than the 6 or 12 month delay
adopted by many other journals.
"There was unanimity within the
society leadership to do this," recalls
Marincola. "Our reasoning was that
as long as we are not damaging
ourselves financially, we want to
get the science out there as quickly
as possible, because it's going to
benefit the field in general. We also
felt that it will benefit the authors
and therefore make the journal
stronger because it's going to be a
significant attraction to be submitting
papers to Molecular Biology of
the Cell if people know that their
papers are getting more exposure."
"We took a gamble that protecting
the two months of 'hotness' would
allow us to retain our institutional
subscriptions." In fact, subscriptions to
MBC have steadily continued to grow
since adopting the free access policy.
The latest impact factor score for MBC
is 7.599.
"No publication in the
world can credibly argue
that their revenues will be
significantly affected if they
release their content six
months after publication"
Elizabeth Marincola
The ASCB had hoped that their
experience would set an example
for other society publishers. "I wish
I could say that it has had a large
impact on other publishers," says
Marincola. "But I have not seen a
huge rush on the part of other societies
to release their journals with a two
month delay. I think, however, that
people are watching and are being
influenced. And I like to think that
some cell biology publishers who
now offer [access after] a six-month
delay were perhaps inspired by us.
The fact that we took a very aggressive
position on releasing MBC put pressure
on other journals to follow."
Furthermore, the MBC author has the
opportunity to have her/his accepted
manuscript put up online before the
article is ready for publication in its
final form, although access at that
stage is limited to subscribers. "The
huge majority of authors choose
that option - just to get it out there,"
says Marincola.
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Keeping up the
good work
"Has our generosity undermined our
other good work?" asks Marincola.
"In the case of the ASCB I say
unequivocally 'no, it has not'. We
are in the fortunate position that we
are not dependent on our journal
income to fund our other work,
because we make significant revenue
from our meeting. So the ASCB
income is not significantly affected
by making it free access. We put
ourselves at risk when we began to
provide MBC for free to members -
but it's been a very good bet in
our case. We have not lost subscription
income, our submissions have gone
up and our meeting programs have
held strong. Financially we have been
able to have our cake and eat it."
Marincola is perplexed as to why
other large societies have not been
encouraged to follow the ASCB
example. "For example, the American
Association for the Advancement of
Science (AAAS), which publishes
Science, and the American Society
for Microbiology each have over
100,000 members, but neither of
them are as generous as we are,"
she says. "One would think that
they can afford to be. You look at
organizations that are that well-established
and enjoy that big a critical
mass and you wonder why they
cannot afford to risk some of their
publishing income."
"I am disappointed that our two-month
stand hasn't inspired more publishers
to go with [free access after] two
months," says Marincola. "Our experience
has been entirely positive. When
societies say that they can't take the
risk, what they mean is that they
are completely dependent on their
publishing income."
The ASCB director compares herself
with the CEO of a small business.
When Marincola talks about diversified
revenue streams one hears echoes
of the lessons she learned studying
for an MBA at Stanford. "When my
colleagues come to me and say they
couldn't possibly think of putting
their publishing revenues at risk,
I think 'why haven't you been diversifying
your revenue sources all along
and why haven't you been diversifying
your products all along?' The ASCB
offers a diverse range of products
so that if publications were at risk
financially, we wouldn't lose our
membership base because there are
lots of other reasons why people are
members."
Marincola is adamant that journals
shouldn't exist to keep scholarly
societies alive. "I think the more
dependent societies are on their
publications, the farther away they
are from the real needs of their
members. If they were really doing
good work and their members were
aware of this, then they wouldn't be
so fearful. It has had a very conservative
influence on societies."
The ASCB has also run a campaign
to educate its members about the
advantages of Open Access. "We have
been quite aggressive on this position,"
stresses Marincola. "We published
quite a few things in our newsletter
advocating Open Access." Marincola
also served on the initial oversight
board for PubMed Central.
"The Society passed a policy that
went into effect this year regarding
the discounts on other publications
that we negotiate for our members.
Our governing council decided that,
regardless of what the financial benefits
might be to the society or our
members, we will not offer a subscription
through the ASCB unless that
journal is available for free access
six months or less after publication."
Marincola adds that the society has
had quite a few enquiries from members
asking why these journals are
no longer on the dues notice. This
has given her the chance to explain
why ASCB adopted this policy and
why they are not promoting, even
indirectly, journals that refuse to
release articles. "Member reaction
has been fantastic - it's been very
gratifying."
Marincola's position is clear. "We feel
that there is really no publication in
the world that can credibly argue
that their revenues will be significantly
affected if they release their content
six months after publication.
What library is going to stuff their
subscription to Nature or Science
because their faculty can get it six
months later? We just don't believe
that argument."
"The more dependent
societies are on their
publications the farther
away they are from the
real needs of their members"
Elizabeth Marincola
But the ASCB is not resting on
its laurels and continues to move
towards full Open Access. "We would
love to be able to offer MBC for
free immediately," says Marincola.
"But we are cautious about what
that would do to us financially.
Our council has charged the staff
with trying to develop a financial plan
that will enable us to release MBC
immediately for free. It's not easy -
advertising revenues are going down
everywhere and there are obvious reasons
to be cautious about raising membership
dues or annual meeting fees to
offset it. We have been tasked with
coming up with a plan to enable us to
do this. It is the explicit goal of the
society to try to find a way to release
MBC without even a two-month delay
while retaining our financial base."
Marincola has a concluding message
for other society directors. "Scientific
societies that do not offer a broad
and deep range of services to their
members are in trouble." She acknowledges
the role that outspoken Open
Access advocates have played. "No
one can deny that, whether you like
their tactics or not, they have put pressure
on the whole community to open
up publication and to get science out
there more quickly." The ASCB has
certainly taken a lead in responding
to these calls for change and set a
pioneering example for other societies
about how to focus on serving their
members best. Will it be bold enough
to become the first society to have
a truly Open Access journal, allowing
immediate free access, letting
authors retain copyright and allowing
unimpeded dissemination of MBC's
articles?
www.ascb.org
www.molbiolcell.org
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